Case Study Writing a Writing Community

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Arantor

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You may have noticed that I write a lot of words. I like writing. Whether I'm good at it is another debate. But I like it. The it-must-be-six-figures-by-now forum posts I've written over the years will attest to that, along with the three completed novels, the ongoing roleplay collaborative storytelling stuff and its associated wiki.

And with a bit of broken heart, I thought it might be neat to actually try running a forum again. Or, more accurately, a community where I can sit and build out resources of things I've collected about writing over the years. I get to stop hoarding stuff, I can sit down and actually organise it in a meaningful fashion, and I can put words to paper to sum up some of the things I've wanted to collect together.

For example, I have amassed quite the collection of writing tools. I mean, I could use Word but... I'd rather not, thanks. I have better choices. I have better choices that suit me, but there's value in my writing comparisons and reviews.

I have a name for it. I don't own the .com (the guy won't sell it to me) but I do the .net and .org, and I think I prefer the .net for this.

So... where to begin?

What are my requirements? Well, a forum software for one. Preferably something modern that I can customise (so, realistically, not Discourse because my Ruby isn't really up to that, nor do I care enough to get it there, writing stuff for Jekyll was annoying enough). A content solution would be nice but not required; I can build what I need.

I also know that some of the stuff I want to provide/collate doesn't fit cleanly into a CMS, and will require custom dev to be in any way useful. That's fine, but it does rule out platforms that aren't self hosted. (No great surprise; I can run my own server and do it cheaper, and the requirement for customisation plus the cost factor rules out the cloud offerings at this point in time)

My immediate thought goes to XF. The lack of content proposition puts me off but no matter, I start plotting out my plan. I am, if nothing else, a builder. Building out a CMS on XF doesn't strike me as particularly terrifying. Annoying, if anything. I'd even started writing my perfect XF CMS and then the great pissing match happened where I got moderated on XF's official site. I won't get into why, but it was hilarious in a sort of bleak gallows-humour way. But it put me off greatly.

You see, I'm not afraid of building things, I do it as a day job. But it didn't take much in the way of conversation with our good dear friend Tracy, plus the behaviour of XF.com, to completely cause me to rethink my plans. The post where I flat out said "XF Ltd is not a serious company" might have been over-egged but in the heat of the moment it was entirely how I felt. I'm calmer now and I might yet pick up XenFolio again but not today.

Now, I'd realised that part of my problem was the age-old 'perfect is the enemy of good'. That I need all the features in place before I start. That I couldn't possibly start just writing without having the site, the theme, the add-ons, the whole experience in place. Obviously. How dare I?

I am mindful that I am procrastinating. I am mindful why this is so. But I thought I'd try and overcome myself.

Next step... would Woltlab do what I wanted? I already had a licence for Woltlab forum + blog + gallery. So I installed it. Does it do what I want? Well, no.

So here's the problem I find myself with. The forum part it does admirably. Comfortably. No surprises there. But it's the content I'm having a problem with.

On the one hand there are streams of content that are clear and unambiguous in their editorial tone. I want to offer reviews for writing apps and tools, reviews and thoughts on books about writing, resources about writing and thoughts about writing.

Woltlab presents me with 'blogs' and 'articles', for which the latter can safely be squirrelled away into categories. I could see the resources grouped nicely that way - but there's no taxonomic world where the reviews are the same as articles. More importantly what I really want is to be able to tag custom fields onto the reviews, and different ones. App reviews need whether it's free / one-time payment / subscription based, and what platform(s) it's available for. Filtering on these is basically essential.

Which means Woltlab isn't my tool of choice; this gap is more problematic. Now, the question is 'if I'd already been reconciled to writing an entire CMS for XF, why not do it here' but the answer is simple: this feels more like swimming upstream than the relative clean slate of XF. WBB already has some content management, I'd be weaving in and out of that.

So... what next? Well, as I see it I have two choices. I can either bust out my Invision licence and build it out on there, or I can go real crazy and build it out on WordPress. No, for real.

WordPress actually appeals to me; I build WP sites as a day job, so setting up the different streams of content I want to offer as post types, get in FacetWP to do nice filtering (dare I say it, nicer than Invision in practice), and whatever lines between resources and blog posts I can handwave away at my leisure. That's a pure categorisation problem at that point because I'm not dealing with 'this is a blog and NOT an article'.

The same question comes up for Invision, though. So what do I mean about the blur between 'is it a blog or is it an article/resource'. Well, some resources are clearly resources, but something like talking about "the death of the author" and how that interrelates to how modern authors are infinitely accessible online and how this works with the desire/need to reframe works narratively is definitely on the fence. Could even go into both; on the one hand, it could be used as an article on it happening and to observe it happening and frame it around authors' media presence, or it could easily be an op-ed piece on it happening and what I think about it, which is a highly different point of view on the same thing.

I am right now experimenting with Invision 5 beta to get a feel for what it does and doesn't give me, and how much customisation I get out of the box and what I can do without writing much code (e.g. styling Database Templates in Pages), but I can't shake the question about 'but what about self hosting'. I have, as I mentioned earlier, resources to add that don't fit a CMS model; some of these are interactive resources, fitting this in will naturally require development. But if I end up having to go to cloud, I will have to rethink the entirety of this outcome, and that feels more drastic to me in an Invision world than an XF or Woltlab or WP one - even though I am entirely aware that in practice I have precisely no guarantees about the future presence of any of them.

Invision is winning but I am mindful I need to solve this situation and I need to find a theme that suits; the default theme is acceptable, but it's not a long term solution. But we shall see - until next time.
 
If you do create some kind of writing community, I'd love to be a member of that.

I love writing, too.

I mainly do it through blogging, but I still very much enjoy the actual process of writing and editing. I enjoy it so much that I usually write blog posts that are anywhere from 3,000 to 15,000 words. Some have told me I write posts that are too long. Personally, I disagree and couldn't care less what they think. :P

I quit my last job after 13 years because the politics and good ole boy people were getting to me. I would stress out so much that I gave myself ulcers. Ever had one of them? They're not fun. Before I quit, I would write (blog) to relieve myself from the stress. I wrote big blog posts every day. In fact, that was the time I blogged on two blogs for 110 days straight! If it wasn't be writing, I think I would have gone insane. Well, if it wasn't for writing and my wife LOL.

Excited to see what you come up with!
 
Well, 3k words and up is too long from an SEO standpoint (if that matters, the sweet spot is typically nearer 1500 words) but 3k and up is a good solid read as long as it isn’t restating the same point over and over in different ways (which is just padding, obviously)

However, I’m not looking to monetise as long as I can afford to run the site (which is another consideration for self-hosted vs cloud, all of the cloud options are more than I want to pay for a hobby project)

Don’t even get me started about work politics :ROFLMAO:

There’s a lot still being fleshed out. I am for example debating how to structure everything, and debating if I want to have something set up around the Flexoki colour scheme for example - https://stephango.com/flexoki - which has an inky feel to it (as the creator intended) which feels more in line with a writing site than something a bit more bold and vibrant. It also lends itself to having a nice muted background even on the light theme which I think is important.

I am also on the fence about typography. Something I found about the roleplay experience is that typography really matters when you’re reading a lot of text and the default fonts in forum systems aren’t that great (subjectively) for lots of text. This is fine for forum posts, most of them aren’t thousand word monsters, but beyond that…

but again I get into the “must be perfect before I’ve even written half a dozen reviews”… :LOL:
 
Well, 3k words and up is too long from an SEO standpoint (if that matters, the sweet spot is typically nearer 1500 words) but 3k and up is a good solid read as long as it isn’t restating the same point over and over in different ways (which is just padding, obviously)
You're right! I run a blog about blogging, I always tell people to do at least 1.5K to 2K words. However, I often write the bigger posts for the value side of it, and while I do some SEO on it, the main goal is for it to be an ultimate guide for the reader. I'm a firm believer in sentence auditing. What I mean by that is I will make sure every sentence leads to value or is the value. I look at blogging as writing a good book. If my copy isn't interesting in a sentence, no matter the sentence, then I'll likely lose someone's interest. Padding, fluff, and filler content are definitely not a good thing.

However, I’m not looking to monetise as long as I can afford to run the site (which is another consideration for self-hosted vs cloud, all of the cloud options are more than I want to pay for a hobby project)
I do it for money, but I don't rely on that money to pay the bills. That money pays for my VPS servers, though, but if it runs out, I can still afford it. However, it's nice to let it pay for it.

However, I am working on content and media businesses that I hope to turn into high-revenue businesses. Some involve the outdoors, and others involve local businesses.

If you've not noticed, I've become quite addicted to the outdoors. You saw the precursor of that back on AAF 1.0 when I started getting into cycling. Ha. That was the fuse that got lit.
 
I'm a firm believer in sentence auditing.
Copyediting is just good writing hygiene. In particular I find it fascinating how Stephen King talks about it in "On Writing" where he explains that he writes his draft, then on first edit basically attempts to cut 10% or more from it, and often succeeds.

However, I am working on content and media businesses that I hope to turn into high-revenue businesses. Some involve the outdoors, and others involve local businesses.

If you've not noticed, I've become quite addicted to the outdoors. You saw the precursor of that back on AAF 1.0 when I started getting into cycling. Ha. That was the fuse that got lit.
I had noticed, and I wondered if that was the catalyst for it. It seems to have really worked out for you, which is awesome.
 
I had noticed, and I wondered if that was the catalyst for it. It seems to have really worked out for you, which is awesome.
I'm glad because I was falling down a long, dark road. Getting angry easily. Made mistakes back then, especially with friends.

Glad to have moved on and matured from that life.

Now I'm chasing Gnomes LOL
 

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